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Friday, July 29, 2005

Taxation without......other people paying their share?

Here's an email I received from a woman here in Portland who is heavily involved in sticking her nose into the goings on of other people:

Good Afternoon Senator Peter Courtney and Representative Karen Minnis:

Like me, it is my understanding that the two of you also pay state taxes into the general fund; and the net dollar on our paychecks is not so surprisingly smaller do mainly to those who abuse alcoholic products.

Did you know that Oregon's beer tax has been frozen at less than a penny per drink since 1977? I truly believe it is time the beer industry pays its fair share of the social and economic cost of its product. Their alternative "ice" malt products are hold fruit flavors with vodka? Hard liquor products are sold in OLCC outlets, why not this one? Because if it were sold in OLCC outlets, Oregon's general fund would earn more than the current 3/4 penny. We would get 4 cents per 12-ounce container. For every bottle sold we lose 3 1/4 penny and out of state breweries laugh all the way to their bank(s). There is something wrong with this picture.

Remember $900 million of your state dollars are paid into human services each year because of alcohol and other drug problems...must recently meth. Raising Oregon's frozen 1977 beer tax from 3/4 penny per 12-ounce container to a dime could provide more than $80 million a year in targeted funds for substance abuse, prevention, treatment and recovery, and law enforcement programs. The young people I talk with when standing in line at Fred Meyers report they don't care if the beer tax is twenty-five cents, they will continue to drink beer. Did you know that Oregon ranks #50 in the lowest beer tax?

Blessings,

mas
503.236.**** (edited to protect the idiot)

Those individuals receiving a BCC: ...please stay tuned and keep the pressure going on Senator Peter Courtney and Representative Karen Minnis to support Senate Bill 1049. Fax as many letters as possible to them in support of the 10 cent a drink county authorization.

Thank you.


I haven't substantiated any of her 'facts', but Oregon ranks #50 with respect to the lowest beer tax? Hey...GREAT!!!!! LET'S KEEP IT THAT WAY!!!!

And what a shitty argument. If she wants the beer industry to pay "its fair share of the social and economic cost of its product", then why suggest penalizing (read: taxing) the portion of the public that drinks that product. Why? Probably because that's the easiest route for the politicians to take. I can't wait for her response.

3 Comments:

At 1:43 PM, Blogger Brian said...

Oregon: # 50 in beer taxes.

# 1 in breweries per capita

Coincidence? I think not.

By the way--I could write a more coherent argument than that while drunk out of my mind (and have--many, many times.) If you're going to pass around an email hoping to change people's minds, the least you could do is edit it.

 
At 9:22 AM, Blogger Kyle said...

I don't know Ken.

I think it makes some sense to tax people for the social costs (that are paid for by the state rather than the producers) caused by their consumption of said product.

It's like gasoline taxes paying for roads. Not only is it fair in the sense that people who consume more pay more (meaning people who don't drink don't have to pay the social costs incurred through drinking), but it raises the cost of the product to where it reflects the costs imposed on others thus reducing the consumption of the good to socially efficient levels.

So what about cigarette taxes? Are you likewise opposed to them?

 
At 9:31 AM, Blogger Kyle said...

If she wants the beer industry to pay "its fair share of the social and economic cost of its product", then why suggest penalizing (read: taxing) the portion of the public that drinks that product

Incidentally - if you tax a good, both consumer and producer are punished. Who pays how much is a function of the slope of the demand curve. The consumer loses out by having to pay more. The producer loses by selling less.

All this woman knows is that she doesn't drink and because people do, she has to pay more taxes. If everyone stopped drinking, she would pay less taxes and would not be missing anything. You should be lucky she isn't asking for prohibition.

Taxes on marijuana is the only way we can counter the objections of non-smokers who see legalization as imposing social costs with no benefit to them.

Well - except for the billions of dollars in savings on enforcement costs.

 

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